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PostSubject: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:32 am

Brit vs Brit
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http://www.box.net/shared/z2hn2nebye


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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:00 am

Again no link Sandy? You're losing your touch.
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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:46 pm

this is the rematch of that old (and epic) britsh mirror?

i cant wait to watch cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:00 pm

can't wait till kerk posts a link
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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:15 pm

Kerk says he doesn't have the link, you post it Finderson!
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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:33 am

where is it? has kerk became humble in a loss or is he sour?
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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:26 am

Looking forward to watch this game!
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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:07 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:33 pm

i have the file now but fileden isn't working... patience
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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:16 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:29 pm

http://www.box.net/files
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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:54 pm

Sanderson_FIN wrote:
i have the file now but fileden isn't working... patience
only increasing expectations Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:44 am

: ( fileden's been so good for me over these years...
yeah been plugging this game for long Very Happy

http://www.box.net/shared/z2hn2nebye

so umm I was watching it as I was checking which record game it was,and it got left on as I was watching the simpsons so I can actually say a few things about the game. first of all the booms. kerk wanted to try something boom-wise, and i didn't have any kind of other game to play so i said 'hey i'll try it too' and so we ended up doing this strat. i started well but should've made sheep like 3 minutes earlier than I did, that was just sleepiness on my part. and then kerk's livestock micro ran over mine but I wasn't even trying : P
at that point we remembered it was rated so we thought let's fight, not expecting anything great but it ended up being a good fight. kerk was pretty excited about me sending cherokee right after yeomen to make a push. well I have to pay back a compliment, he does a mighty fine job not letting you get to his longbows.
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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:18 am

Lol I see what boom kerk tried to do.

You won't ever do one as good as me man!

I even talked to goodspeed, he looked over the boom and even he said that all the calculations were correct and that i hadn't modded anything, I dont even see how its possible for me to mod my HC when i did BOTH boom online on two different accounts.

Brett even said that it was a doable boom. By me that is ofcourse ;=)

But keep on trying!
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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:22 am

well this is what I said to kerk after we compared the end resources to yours: 'he's norwegian'
so was there ever a doubt in my mind? did I play this game to knock you do to a fjord? NO! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:34 am

Sanderson_FIN wrote:
well this is what I said to kerk after we compared the end resources to yours: 'he's norwegian'
so was there ever a doubt in my mind? did I play this game to knock you do to a fjord? NO! Very Happy

Its not like you could!
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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:29 pm

fileden has become unstable since the changes they made and i lost everything there. i switched to mediafire.
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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:36 pm

Buck the System wrote:
fileden has become unstable since the changes they made and i lost everything there. i switched to mediafire.

it's really intolerable.. they change the look a bit and suddenly all falls.
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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:21 pm

I saw this game in advance: It's a pretty solid brit mirror. Both players did well, sandy going for a very hard-aggressive style. Kerk was forced to play more defensive as a result.

Fin, no offence, but I don't feel like you watched your eco distribution very well. You drained your food very hard, while Kerk kept his distribution nice and proper. Even if you changed all your vills to food at the end, your eco was in a worse spot than Kerk's. He told me he resigned because he had to go, which I can believe.

Had the game gone on, I feel as though Kerk would have gotten the upper hand again and pushed you back while you scurried to redistrib your economy. During this time, you wouldn't even be able to use natives b/c you had 2K food. You'd drain too hard if you tried to keep hard-aggressing, you have no choice but to switch to a defensive style.

GG to both though.
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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:09 am

kerk will lost anyway... he didnt have walls, which let him much more space to build FBs than sanderson, and still failed to stop sandy´s army. Kerk´s eco is falling much faster too.

good game cheers


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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:44 am

Brett wrote:
I saw this game in advance: It's a pretty solid brit mirror. Both players did well, sandy going for a very hard-aggressive style. Kerk was forced to play more defensive as a result.

Fin, no offence, but I don't feel like you watched your eco distribution very well. You drained your food very hard, while Kerk kept his distribution nice and proper. Even if you changed all your vills to food at the end, your eco was in a worse spot than Kerk's. He told me he resigned because he had to go, which I can believe.
Had the game gone on, I feel as though Kerk would have gotten the upper hand again and pushed you back while you scurried to redistrib your economy. During this time, you wouldn't even be able to use natives b/c you had 2K food. You'd drain too hard if you tried to keep hard-aggressing, you have no choice but to switch to a defensive style.

GG to both though.
as usual sitting back and then when hes done for says he has to go.

turn the tables man........dont let the aggresor allways be the other player geez.
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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:09 am

Brett wrote:
I saw this game in advance: It's a pretty solid brit mirror. Both players did well, sandy going for a very hard-aggressive style. Kerk was forced to play more defensive as a result.

Fin, no offence, but I don't feel like you watched your eco distribution very well. You drained your food very hard, while Kerk kept his distribution nice and proper. Even if you changed all your vills to food at the end, your eco was in a worse spot than Kerk's. He told me he resigned because he had to go, which I can believe.

Had the game gone on, I feel as though Kerk would have gotten the upper hand again and pushed you back while you scurried to redistrib your economy. During this time, you wouldn't even be able to use natives b/c you had 2K food. You'd drain too hard if you tried to keep hard-aggressing, you have no choice but to switch to a defensive style.

GG to both though.

yeah forgot to mention that, I really really forgot about "resources" and ended up almost always screwing myself up yeah. But he did talk to me like for 5 mins after the game so I don't think he had to go anywhere, and on noticing my resources I could've easily fixed it. takes like 20 secs to build 5 mills with 50 vills. 300 pt difference in score is pretty big to "come back" from.
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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:35 pm

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yeah forgot to mention that, I really really forgot about "resources" and ended up almost always screwing myself up yeah. But he did talk to me like for 5 mins after the game so I don't think he had to go anywhere, and on noticing my resources I could've easily fixed it. takes like 20 secs to build 5 mills with 50 vills. 300 pt difference in score is pretty big to "come back" from.

Score doesn't decide games, distribution does. Even if you switch over 50 vills to food, you have 2K. It will drastically alter your playstyle until your food rebounds, which will take time. You can't aggress with a distribution like that and you know it.

I mean, if I have a 3K score, and it's 100% wood with Otto, I can't do shit and I will loose, even if I redistribute my vills 50/50 or whatever.

Knight_br wrote:
kerk will lost anyway... he didnt have walls, which let him much more space to build FBs than sanderson, and still failed to stop sandy´s army. Kerk´s eco is falling much faster too.

good game cheers

Kerk's economy was fine. His distribution was solid, 30Kish food, 20K coin, 2-5Kish wood. Kerk's total resource count wasn't much different, but his distribution was drastically better. Sanderson was going to be peddling on the backfoot for a solid 2 mins, so Kerk could easily get back into it and reassume an aggressive position.

Besides that, you can tell that the decision to fight was a last minute thing. Kerk didn't make walls (at all), built an army he doesn't traditionally use, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:36 pm

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Sanderson_FIN wrote:
yeah forgot to mention that, I really really forgot about "resources" and ended up almost always screwing myself up yeah. But he did talk to me like for 5 mins after the game so I don't think he had to go anywhere, and on noticing my resources I could've easily fixed it. takes like 20 secs to build 5 mills with 50 vills. 300 pt difference in score is pretty big to "come back" from.

Score doesn't decide games, distribution does. Even if you switch over 50 vills to food, you have 2K. It will drastically alter your playstyle until your food rebounds, which will take time. You can't aggress with a distribution like that and you know it.

I mean, if I have a 3K score, and it's 100% wood with Otto, I can't do shit and I will loose, even if I redistribute my vills 50/50 or whatever.

Knight_br wrote:
kerk will lost anyway... he didnt have walls, which let him much more space to build FBs than sanderson, and still failed to stop sandy´s army. Kerk´s eco is falling much faster too.

good game cheers

Kerk's economy was fine. His distribution was solid, 30Kish food, 20K coin, 2-5Kish wood. Kerk's total resource count wasn't much different, but his distribution was drastically better. Sanderson was going to be peddling on the backfoot for a solid 2 mins, so Kerk could easily get back into it and reassume an aggressive position.

Besides that, you can tell that the decision to fight was a last minute thing. Kerk didn't make walls (at all), built an army he doesn't traditionally use, etc.

I didn't make proper walls either, had free passage at the back of my base. My army was same as his and not my usual either. And that etc also goes for me, too. Total resource count was like 22k? to my advantage when at 40 mins it was slightly to his, what makes you think the trend would not continue? Having a ton of gold still lets you make a proper army of cannons, protected by native warriors from FOUR tribes against his ZERO. He was never going to bounce back from that situation.
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PostSubject: Re: Kerkumus vs Finderson   Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:30 pm

With no food how in God's name are you going to afford 4 native posts? Even redistributing you won't afford that until your food economy bounces back. Your total res count might be higher but without a sane distribution it ain't happening.

You can spam a zillion cannons with nats, but he can make a counter-army and crush it. Spamming nats would then drop your food from 2K to zero and the game would be a dud. An aggressive build is impossible to sustain given those conditions, since ALL your aggressive units cost tons of food.
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